October 15, 2005 Update

With all the terrorism, national disasters, earthquakes, wars, floods in the news, worldwide, every day, Christians have to take note... There is no doubt in my mind that we are in those last days spoken of in the Bible.

That inner clock ticking makes me ever more fervent in seeing the lost set free and get to go to heaven. The more turmoil in the world, the more our contacts with truth seeking Mormons, Masons and other cultists grows. There is also a push by the LDS church to get their youth more active, seeking converts in the schools. That translates to a large surge of concerned parents contacting us. Not only does that equate to rescuing kids, but helping parents take a spiritual stand of their own for Jesus.

Our donations are seriously off right now. With the recent national disasters, ministries like ours are low on the priority list for donations. Carol and I have also given deeply toward the needs of the hurricane and flood victims and we fully understand. We feel saturated with the needs out there. We pray for every person who has been displaced. And for every relief worker and there are tens of thousands of Christians / churches / individuals pouring out every kind of help.

In the middle of all this, we must all be faithful in our tithes and offerings at our church as well as our continued support of other works out in the fields of labor. Things get tight, but our God supplies our ‘needs’ according to His riches. It seems like the money is always there for kingdom work. He always replaces it and then adds some to it!

Meanwhile, we have been praying for our soldiers who are in dangerous locations, our government leaders and now, the Supreme Court and the President’s choices and pray that the court will now deal with cases based on constitutional law rather than what is politically correct at the moment. We also pray for the peace of

Israel

and pray that the Palestinian people can find stabilized self rule and self-sufficiency.

Please stand firmly with us with your regular prayers and support, as we see the harvest fields open up and fruit abound. We need your help and support like never before. Please, go to the "Give a Donation" link in the left column of front page of our web site and send in a good offering today.

As always, when you send in a prayer request, I take it as my personal ministry to you. I pray over every need, every issue you request prayer for. That is precious for me, to go into my study each day and set aside time to go to the Lord in prayer with your notes, emails; your needs and those praise reports you send in as well. Please, continue to keep me up to date on prayer needs you send in.

Last Month, We put an entire 19^th century book on Mormonism up on the web site. It is Wife Number 19, The Story of a life in Bondage to Mormonism by Brigham Young's apostate wife, Ann Eliza Young.

In the future we will be adding other Classic books to the website. Watch for them.

A Mormon acquaintance once pushed Mark Twain into an argument on the issue of polygamy. After long and tedious expositions justifying the practice, the Mormon demanded that Twain cite any passage of scripture expressly forbidding polygamy.

"Nothing easier," Twain replied. "No man can serve two masters."

Polygamy has not gone away. Not only are there tens of thousands of Mormons living this everlasting covenant today, but the justification for it is still holy scripture to all Mormons.

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843,
relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant,
as also plurality of wives.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

No matter How much the LDS church tries to Christianize their gospel...

THERE ARE TEACHINGS OF MORMONISM
which separate it forever from Christianity and the Holy Bible.

That God the Father has a body of flesh and bones and was once a sinful man on another planet.

That God lives with many goddess wives
on a planet near the great star Kolob.

That Polygamy is part of God’s holy ordinances.
All members of the LDS priesthood

That Jesus Christ is the brother of Lucifer, the Devil.
Jesus had to work out his own salvation.

That men can become gods themselves by joining the Mormon church
and will be able to create and populate their own earths.

That the shed blood of Christ is not sufficient to save us from our sins,
that it only gives us resurrection so we may be judged for our works;
that men cannot be saved by grace through faith,
but only by our works of righteousness.

That the Mormon Church is the only true church on earth,
to the exclusion of all others. It has the only true authority.

That there are two churches only, The church of the Lamb [Mormonism]
and the church of the Devil [the rest of us]

That man cannot gain eternal life and enter the presence of the Lord
outside of Mormonism.
(All of the above teachings are well-documented.)

"But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

The embarrassing truth about Mormonism
Mark Wignall Sunday, September 25, 2005

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the "servant of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed." Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

My telephone call two weeks ago to the local arm of the church was quite specific in its request. Backed up by an e-mail to the organisation, I wanted to know the date of arrival in Jamaica, the membership and details of any outreach programme in force. Most importantly, I wanted to know why an organisation grounded in white supremacy would want Jamaica as one of its permanent postings considering that 95 per cent of Jamaicans are black-skinned.

Well, the alarm bells went off immediately. District president Kevin Brown, (a young black Jamaican) adopted a defensive stance on the telephone. After informing me that the president of the Jamaica branch, Leroy Turner (a white American), was off the island, he followed up with, "You people are always writing about us, saying we are racist and practise polygamy. Ian Boyne and you have written all sorts of things about us which are untrue." I stopped him.

"Mr Brown, I have never written anything about the Mormons," I said. He apologised. The next day I met with president Turner and district president Mr Brown at the church's headquarters. Our meeting lasted only 30 minutes. My main focus in the short interview was the church's stance on racism.

At the end of it, I left with a copy of the Book of Mormon and nothing to convince me that the anti-racist positions of Turner and Brown, men who I believe are fairly decent human beings, if not the sharpest tools in the box, could counter the very racist words written in the very book they had presented to me.

Here are just two examples from their 'bible', the Book of Mormon:
Example 1: 2 Nephi 5: 21- 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Example 2: Alma 3: 6- 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

According to the Mormons, Lamanites are the native American Indians who they erroneously claim, are descendants of Hebrews (who 'strayed' and became 'cursed' with dark skin) even though it has been established by DNA evidence that the native American Indian is related to tribes in Asia which crossed a land-bridge many hundreds of thousands of years ago.

What amazed me, but probably shouldn't, was the energy which District President Mr Kevin Brown brought to bear on defending the church against the attacks of those like me who claim it is racist. He, a black Jamaican, was even more strident in defense than the country president, a white American. Was it self-denial or just plain embarrassment?

Unencumbered by religion since age 15, I believe that I am more suited to discuss the Mormon church than others not so free, like Ian Boyne. I state this because the constant problems facing those religionists who quite rightly attack Mormon doctrine and its cultic relationship with its adherents is their need to compare it with some other cult, like the Jehovah's Witnesses or the other mainstream Christian sects.

Inherent in this criticism is the definition of 'the true church,' a futile search always on the main agenda of items facing religionists. Like Thomas Paine, I believe in no church, no religion and instead see in the unfolding of the universe/nature, the manifestation of a god, or God - still unknown, unnamed and undefined.

Presently claiming 4,500 members in 22 congregations in Jamaica, the Mormons, who prefer to be referred to as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is easily the least successful church in Jamaica. They believe they are the true church and their leaders are the elect of God. All others are apostates.

The church arrived in Jamaica in 1968 at a time when the civil rights movement, Black Power and the Black Panther Party were the pressure groups leading the charge against 'apartheid' America.

It seems to be that it is no accident that the Mormons came to Jamaica in 1968. At that time, a very dunce, racially backward and politically infantile JLP government, four years before it was rejected by the people, was in the process of nullifying the teachings of, and expelling, black Guyanese UWI lecturer Dr Walter Rodney (a PhD at age 24!), declaring that he was 'a most dangerous' man, presumably for expounding too much on blackness, Garveyism and the stark class/colour arrangements in Jamaica at that time. The irony is, we were doing that even as we were heaping condemnation on racist South Africa and Ian Smith's Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe).

Into this conundrum entered the Mormons, who at that time made no pretence at their white supremacist doctrine. Fourteen years before-on August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent. I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after.

He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage.

That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.

Then in 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson, blinded by his acutely myopic view of African Americans and caught up in the communist hysteria of the times, saw the civil rights movement as nothing more than weak, useless blacks being used for a sinister purpose.

He said, "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

We can therefore see that when the Mormons came here to 'set up shop' in 1968, black skinned people could join the church but the 'priesthood' was denied to them because they were 'cursed.'

Their president saw American black people as childlike and mindless and therefore easily manipulated and, last but by no means least, the Jamaican government was proving to us either that, one, religious tolerance was very high on its agenda, or, two, it the JLP was so stupid to allow in a bunch of racists who were 'waving around the banner of God' and calling itself a church.

Now, I have no problems with white supremacist groups just as long as they remain in the jurisdictions which find their doctrinal crud to be palatable and socially acceptable. When groups like the Mormons set foot in Jamaica, not only do I find their presence to be an insult to me and all people of 'cursed' colour but I resent them finding offence and lying to me when I point out the obvious bigoted creeds inherent in their teachings and texts.

At one stage of the interview, the American Leroy Turner became visibly upset by my questions. As the blood rushed to his face and reddened his skin, he leaned forward in his swivel chair and said, 'I don't like the, the direction which this is going. I am not going along with this. I am going to terminate the interview.'

Flustered, he eased back in his chair, removed his fixed stare at me, then silently sucked in a gulp of air as the interview continued.

We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of colour could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

Even in this 'revelation', God is not given the glory- instead it is the wisdom and the prayers of Kimball which tipped the balance. But what was the true story behind this?

In 1978 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was under increasing pressure by the US government to end its racist doctrine and teachings or lose its tax-free status. Additionally, the church leadership saw the expansion in countries such as Brazil to be one big embarrassment to them.

Add to that the fact that not only black athletic teams were refusing to compete with teams from the racist Brigham Young University and the die was cast. Assuming that poor and ignorant black people in large populations like Brazil were joining the church, what would it do when some of the smarter ones decided to ask the unspeakable?

An extract from a 1978 interview sheds more light on the 'revelation,' which was nothing more than a socio-political sleight-of-hand brought on by the realities of the times, including especially the church's need to justify black populations tithing (10% of income) to the church as requirement for membership in good standing.

The interview was conducted on August 16, 1978 at the Church Office Building. The interviewer was one Wesley Walters and the person interviewed was Mormon 'Apostle' LeGrand Richards.

'WALTERS: On this revelation, of the priesthood to the Negro, I've heard all kinds of stories: I've heard that Joseph Smith appeared; and then I heard another story that Spencer Kimball had had a concern about this for some time, and simply shared it with the apostles, and they decided that this was the right time to move in that direction. Are any of those stories true, or are they all?

RICHARDS: Well, the last one is pretty true, and I might tell you what provoked it in a way. Down in Brazil, there is so much Negro blood in the population there that it's hard to get leaders that don't have Negro blood in them. We just built a temple down there. It's going to be dedicated in October.

All those people with Negro blood in them have been raising the money to build that temple. If we don't change, then they can't even use it. Well, Brother Kimball worried about it, and he prayed a lot about it. 'So much for that 'revelation.'

The origins of the church is not so much my concern as is its presence in my country, and so much racist baggage in its 'Bible.' In hindsight, if all the church can muster is a membership of 4,500 in 37 years (121.6 persons on average per year) then maybe this article is overkill.

The fact is, although the last time I checked, people in Jamaica were free to join any church they fancied, the reality is, the Mormon Church is a billion dollar business in Utah where Salt Lake City is literally owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) through the resourcefulness and business enterprise of its leadership. The Mormons in Jamaica are here to stay, so they tell me.

The missionary nature of the Americans has long been established through the export of its 'democracy' to the LDC's, its easily portable war machinery (where next boys!), the export of its Harvard, led MBA business theology (no new start-ups, only takeovers) and its bible-thumping televangelists.

Many scholars, especially ex Mormons, have shown that the 'revelations' of Joseph Smith, the cult's founder were concoctions. Smith was a man who dabbled in 'seer stones,' tall tales, many women, gunfights and money digging. Scholars have totally debunked the Book of Abraham in the Book of Mormon by showing that Smith's 'translation' of hieroglyphics from ancient papyri was a grand hoax. That aside, if that was his hustle, all power to him but please, keep it among his homegrown ignorant.

Like its followers worldwide, Jamaican Mormons are taught that dissent within and that coming from outside the church is the work of Lucifer. Like most cults, scholarly enquiry is discouraged and blind acceptance is the norm among the local population.

And as with organisations of this kind, the ill wind which blows some good takes in supplies through Food for the Poor, medical supplies for the Ministry of Health and, I am told that an effort is now on to assist in the social and structural reorganisation of refuges in Katrina's wake.

Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said, "The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings" (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

On June 13, 1978 The Salt Lake Tribune reported the following: "President Kimball refused to discuss the revelation that changed the Church's 148 year-old policy against ordination of Blacks, saying it was a personal thing. Kimball said the revelation came at this time because conditions and people have changed. It's a different world than it was 20 or 25 years ago. The world is ready for it, he said."

Black self denigration seems to me to be a science. A lot of its genesis is rooted in religion and, as we all know, some of the scriptures in the Bible were used to justify the world's biggest crime, the Atlantic Slave Trade. While the 1978 'revelation' has opened up the priesthood to blacks who are 'worthy', it hasn't changed the fundamental doctrine of the Mormon church that a black skin is a curse.

My sympathies go out to Jamaicans who are a part of this church. Religious freedom allows them this right, but self denigration in the extreme and an excess of ignorance (and probably economic need) seem to be the only logical explanations for black-skinned persons' membership in such an organisation.

When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E. Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said: '.if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory.'

When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 (Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110), the following was also said: 'Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so.'

When the church received the priesthood 'revelation' in 1978, were the past statements of these important 'apostles' and 'prophets' made redundant? Was there ever a wholesale condemnation by the church of these virulently racist attacks on black people? No, there was not, and the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the doctrine of the curse of a black skin is still very much a part of the church's position in the 21st century.

It seems to me that not only was the church forged in infamy, but in a world far removed from the racism of 19th century America, the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has made only patronising concessions on the issue of skin colour.

Too much of the origins of the church and the doctrines in the Book of Mormon are steeped in 'the curse.' It cannot be reversed as that would make Joseph Smith's 1830 'revelations' a bigger curse to the present church leaders. And that would negate everything else that the church stands for.

Some of those in the leadership of the Jamaica district of the Mormons had the gall to suggest to me that I write my column, but give them a chance to read it (vet it?) before publication. Well, now that they have read my piece, they are free to have their responses published.

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From: Christ or the Lodge? A Presbyterian Report on Freemasonry,
a report presented at the ninth General Assembly of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, meeting at Rochester, New York, June 2–5, 1942,

There is a Christian universalism. God has His elect in every age and every nation. Ever since the fall of man the Son of God has been gathering the elect into His church by His Word and Spirit. In Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female, for all are one in Him (Galatians 3:28). John saw the four living creatures and the four and twenty elders fall down before the Lamb and he heard them sing: “Thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation” (Revelation 5:9).

Masonry also lays claim to universalism, but its universalism differs radically from that of Christianity in that it denies Christian particularism and exclusivism.

Christianity claims to have the only true book, the Bible. Masonry places this book on a par with the sacred books of other religions.

Christianity lays claim to the only true God, the God of the Bible, and denounces all other Gods as idols. Masonry recognizes the Gods of all religions.

Christianity describes God as the Father of Jesus Christ and of those who through faith in Him have received the right to be called the sons of God. The God of Masonry is the universal father of all mankind.

Christianity holds that only the worship of the God who has revealed Himself in Holy Scripture is true worship. Masonry honors as true worship the worship of numerous other deities.

Christianity recognizes but one Saviour, Jesus Christ, the only Mediator between God and man. Masonry recognizes many saviours.

Christianity acknowledges but one way of salvation, that of grace through faith. Masonry rejects this way and substitutes for it salvation by works and character.

Christianity teaches the brotherhood of those who believe in Christ, the communion of saints, the church universal, the one body of Christ. Masonry teaches the brotherhood of Masons and the universal brotherhood of man.

Christianity glories in being the one truly universal religion. Masonry would rob Christianity of this glory and appropriate it to itself.

Christianity maintains that it is the only true religion. Masonry denies this claim and boasts of being Religion itself.

Mormonism may sour Romney for some in Christian right

WASHINGTON -- The Southern Baptist Convention website categorizes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a ''cult" that is ''radically" different from historic, biblical Christianity.

A faith guide issued by the influential Christian right group Focus on the Family declares that ''God cannot be identified . . . with the Mormon religion's notion of god." And each year, evangelical organizers behind the National Day of Prayer bar Mormons from speaking at their proceedings.

As Governor Mitt Romney mulls a race for president in 2008, his strategists expect their ''family values" candidate -- who opposes gay marriage, abortion, and some forms of embryonic stem cell research -- to find a natural base of support among religious conservatives. ''As Mitt's traveled the country and tested the waters, he's gotten very strong responses, including from religious conservatives," said Michael Murphy, a political consultant who advises Romney.

But an examination of the views of powerful Christian right groups suggests that, even as some of these voters might appreciate Romney's lifelong commitment to his church, the governor's Mormon faith could become an obstacle for others among this same group, who make up a large and vocal segment of Republican primary voters.

Duane Washum, a former Worshipful Master, who answers much of our Masonic emails answers this one for us.

Jon 1: You need to understand that Masons have done a lot for this country and other countries.

They have also done a lot of harm, such as continuing the racist, segregationist traditions of old. However, the fact of the matter, it is not the issue of whether any men who are Masons have done anything bad, or anything good, for that matter. The real issue is whether the teachings of the Craft are compatible with the Christian faith. They are not, and therefore Freemasonry is wrong, regardless of its membership lists.

Seems as though we just got through talking about that. Anybody who has studied into that phenomena at all realizes that the reason the "Blacks have their own lodges to join" is because of the racist, segregationist practices of lodges since pre-Revolutionary War times.

Yes, I know. Infamous traitor, Benedict Arnold; infamous butcher of the men at the Alamo, Generalissimo Santa Ana; cowardly back-shooting murderer, Byron de la Beckwith, just to name a few.

The point you are trying to make is pointless. The reason it is pointless is because, as inferred above, individual members have too many variables in them for anybody to realistically judge Freemasonry. The only common ground is that all lodges teach the same things. Therefore, the only true barometer by which to measure Freemasonry is its heretical teachings. The fact that good men have been Masons only proves that good men can be deceived.

Jon 4: The burn hospitals for children which is ran by the Shriner's they are Masons.

No problem with good works done by anybody. The problem is with the heresy that is taught in the lodge room, out of the public view.

Jon 5: We are not a cult or a secret society. If we were you would not find our buildings out in the open or in the phone book's and we would not wear jewelry w/symbols.

I know. You're just a society with secrets. Have heard it stated dozens of times. How about your ritual? If nothing is secret, why have a Tyler? Once again, the "point" you are trying to make is meaningless.

Jon 6: We are proud of who we are and what we do. We also do a lot for our communities and the elderly, and children, widows and who ever else need's our help.

I would be ashamed of anybody who didn't do good deeds. The problem is that Masonry teaches good works are what is essentially necessary for getting their members into heaven. That is heresy. The only path to heaven is through acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Jon 7: If you don't like who or what we are then don't talk to us. No one makes you.

Excuse me, sir, but it was you who wrote to us, remember? No one made you, you just did it. And all we are doing is responding to you. It would be rude not to.

Jon 8: But you need to learn more about us. And some of your best friend's mite be one. Wouldn't you feel stupid then???

Actually, feeling stupid pretty well summed it up when the day came that I did not realize what it was I had been a part of, were it not for conviction by the Holy Spirit. I don't need to learn more about Masonry. I learned enough while I was in it.

Jon 9: Great presidents and inventor's and actor's all of been Masons. We are GOD fearing people and believe in God and the bible.

Not all Masons believe in God, so there is no way you can make that statement honestly. Men are not required to believe in God. They are only required to believe in the existence of a supreme being, regardless of what they might say the supreme being they believe in, is. There are Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, and luciferians who are Masons and none of them believe in the Bible.

Jon 10: So exactly what is your problem with the Masons??? You need to watch what you say you mite need there help one day for yourself or a sick child. How would you feel then and them not help???

I would know, should that day ever come, that the only reason they help people, by what you have just said, is if the people they help believe in Freemasonry.

Jon 11: The nice thing about us is no matter what you say if you needed our help we would be there anyway.

Wow. That's just the opposite of what you inferred above. How about staying on one side of the fence or the other.

Jon 13: Masons are a none profit origination and have donated more than $ 9 Billon dollars to other charities.

Is that going to matter when the Masons who reject Jesus Christ stand before the Great White Throne?

Jon 14: So if you need some more info please let me know and I will do what I can to help you.

P.S. The Knights Temple's that are also Masons were protectors of Christianity. Feel free to answer back.

Uh, that would be Knights Templar, not whatever it is you are trying to call them. If you need any more information, I will do what I can to help you.:) :)

Cordially,
Duane Washum
Ex Masons For Jesus
http://www.emfj.org

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