Saints Alive Newsletter

July – August 1999

It is hard to believe that summer is already over, but here comes September. I returned a week ago from several weeks of ministry in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, ministering with my good friend and ex-Mormon ministry leader, Jim Spencer. The trip was a great success in many ways. We spoke almost every night and had several thousand people attend the meetings. We prayed for 500 to 600 people and saw several dozen Mormons come to the real Jesus.

Beyond that, we had great fellowship, encouraging each other in the faith and the work and returned home exhausted but ready for the next round of what the Lord has for us. This is a tough ministry and friends are precious to me.

Your many kind notes bless me daily and I pray for every need you send in.

I read on the paper this week that while the LDS church was excavating the Mountain Meadows massacre area, the bones of 10 men, women and children believed to have been among 120 California-bound pioneers massacred by a Mormon militia and Indian allies in 1857 have been unexpectedly unearthed at the site.

When you think about the number of people massacred in one killing place by other Americans, the only other heinous crime of this mag-nitude is the Oklahoma City bombing. i would guess that more child-ren were killed at Mountain Meadows than all the school killings over the last year combined. Yet, the LDS church is handling this site as their own heritage.

It’s like having terrorists maintain the memorial site of their own crime.

We have been seeing so many Mormons and Masons coming to an understanding of the Biblical truth and getting set free. Juts last week alone, we prayed the sinners’ prayer with 10 separate people on the phone. Please stand with us in this vital ministry. The work never slowed down this summer as is usual but kept steady and actually grew in magnitude. The fall looks like we will be at a dead run trying to keep up.

The trip was June 21st – July 3rd. I want to say thank-you to all those who supported this trip both financially and spiritually in prayer. This was a nation-shaking missions trip to the nation of Tonga. This is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see the glory of God touch an entire nation.

Our team had been personally invited by His Majesty King Tapou IV, to put on a nationwide Youth Revival. The King is a born-again Christian who has a vision to see his entire nation passionately serve God. He opened all the schools and surrounding towns for our team to preach the Gospel.

Let me start at the beginning. In the early 80s, Saints Alive’s relationship with Tonga began with several mission trips by Ed, Tom Bauer, Dean & Linda Roberts and Clark Hawley.

Early in the 1980’s as the LDS church began to spread into the South Pacific, Ed Decker & Tom Bauer traveled to the Tongan Islands on several trips. This culminated in Ed becoming close personal friends with His Majesty King Tapou IV. Saints Alive also established a Tonga Chapter and office with Pastor Isileli Taukolo. Ed’s relationship with the King continued through several visits to the US by the King. His Majesty visited Saints Alive Headquarters in Issaquah in 1984.

Two years ago, the King became very concerned about the rapid decline of morality and hunger for God in His people, especially the youth. The King commissioned Pastor Taukolo to go to the US and invite a group of young people to come and show them radical young people serving God. This is to counteract the message of rebellion, and hedonism portrayed in movies imported from the US into Tonga.

Pastor Isileli came to the City Church in Kirkland WA, were the Decker’s attend church and I (Jason) just completed a 2 year pastoral internship/training program. Dad (Ed) is also a Care Pastor there. It took 2 years to get everything worked out. It was worth the wait!!

The U.S. team consisted of 60 people, mostly high school and college age and leaders. The team is headed by Pastors Steve & Taffy Carpenter and the Generation Interns of the City Church in Kirkland WA. Pastors Doug & Donna Lasit & Team from City Bible Church in Portland OR and Pastor Jay Smith & Team from Capital Christian Center in Boise ID. God also united the hearts of many Christian leaders in Tonga, which gave us a greater platform to see this revival birthed through the unity of the Body of Christ.

We hosted a Royal Prayer Breakfast with National Leaders and Pastors who minister at many area churches and schools. This was the highlight of the trip as the Holy Spirit moved in a supernatural way, bringing a time of repentance and reconciliation. The reconciliation broke every wall and barrier that kept God’s people separated. Pastors knelt before each other and asked forgiveness for division and attitudes of pride.

The Princess of Tonga knelt down before all the people and asked forgiveness of all the people for the Royal Family’s abuse of power and for not walking in the Holy Spirit as leaders. Pastors responded by asking the Royal family to forgive them for not submitting to authority and speaking badly of them. It was such a powerful time…everyone was weeping. You could feel strongholds breaking over the nation as this was happening.

"If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land." Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place." For now I have chosen and sanctified this house, that My name may be there forever; and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually." (2 Chronicles 7:14)

We spoke at many schools and reached over 15,000 young people. It was so amazing to see all the children and young people. Many of them are raised "culturally" as Christians, but they have no personal understanding of salvation. We saw thousands respond to the altar calls and messages to live radically for God.

Another major highlight of the trip was a personal audience with His Majesty King Tapou IV of Tonga. We had an amazing time of fellowship, giving gifts, music and prayer. The meeting was televised nationally and did much to give our team credibility with the people.

Every day we sent teams of young people to TV 7, the only TV station in Tonga and they did the morning show. Preaching, singing worship songs, sharing their testimonies and encouraging the young people of Tonga to be passionate with God.

This trip is a great fulfillment of the spiritual inheritance made possible by the sacrifice and faith of many in the "old guard" of Saints Alive. Its amazing to see how seeds, when planted in good soil, will produce an amazing harvest many seasons later. We believe this is only the beginning of a new generation preparing the way for the Christ to return.

You have to wonder why the Mormons are trying to join local Ministerial Associations all over America right now. It is obviously orchestrated for it to be so common. But, why would they want to be in association with Christian pastors, anyway? It seems to me that if their leaders believe that Mormonism belongs in local ministerial associations, it has lost its reason for existence. Let’s review this from their own position. Let’s go right to the day Mormonism began. Joseph Smith claimed that both God the Father and Jesus physically appeared to him and told him not one Christian church was true. He said that:

So, Why would the LDS church ever want its local leaders to be part of a group of preachers whom Christ Condemned? What an Oxymormon! Well, if that isn’t enough to make you wonder, listen to what the Book of Mormon says about this same group of Christian pastors.

The Mormons say these pastors are part of the church of the devil, part of the whore of all the earth. This doctrine was strongly supported for many years in the LDS temple ritual where we learned that such pastors as these were hirelings of Lucifer and taught "the Orthodox religion" for him. That orthodoxy included salvation by grace and a god who is spirit, not an exalted man, doctrines upon which these local pastors rest their faith.

Why would the Mormons want any part of these organizations filled with pastors whom they believe have absolutely no authority to act in the name of God? Pastors, including even women, who do not have the authority to baptize people or bless the communion table because they do not hold the LDS priesthood?

Obviously, the Mormons haven’t changed a single doctrine, or repented of a single condemnation of the "rest" of Christendom. There is some other motive than joining with other "pastors" in fellowship.

The answer is simple : they are on a campaign to infiltrate and disarm the Christian pastors. While they are sitting in these meetings, the LDS missionaries are going door to door seeking to steal the flock while the shepherd is having lunch with the wolf.

It’s a great deal for the Mormons. If the pastors open the door to them, the missionaries can share how they are just another Christian church. "Why of course we are Christians! Bishop Smith is a member of the Pastors’ Association." If the pastors do close the door, the Mormons can cry out that they are being persecuted for their faith. It seems like it is a no win situation for evangelical pastors and churches.

But, there is a simple way out and it will solve the problem every time. Have an application form ready that has the basic personal information as well as a statement of faith that includes Biblical inerrancy, the Trinitarian doctrine of God and Salvation by grace through Christ. Include a copy of the Apostles’ Creed (which is one of those abominable creeds that the Mormon Jesus warned Joseph about)

Welcome the Mormon Bishop to the fellowship. But ask him to first fill out and sign the application and then come on in. Call me if you ever have a Bishop sign it. He would be denying his faith, the whole reason for the Mormon Church’s existence.

From an Associated Press article, Sunday, August 8, 1999, By Hannah Wolfson:

CIRCLEVILLE, Utah—Stephen Butt didn’t set out to be a polygamist. A decade ago, he was happily married to one wife, busy with his church and working as a cult exit counselor in Maine. Then he met a young woman who had been so abused by a cult, he saw only one way to gain her trust for treatment. He married her.

Now Butt lives in Utah with three wives and five children, ministering to a group of nearly 1,000 around the country who call themselves Christian polygamists.

Unlike the estimated 25,000 to 35,000 polygamists living in the West who trace their roots to historical Mormonism, Butt and his Protestant peers say plural marriage comes straight from the Old Testament.

"We believe that plural marriage is allowed for in the Bible to meet practical, real needs, and this should be acknowledged by the Christian church," Butt said. He points to passages that say David, Solomon and other patriarchs had many wives. "Obviously polygamy can’t be something that’s immoral if God allowed it with these people whom he showed so much favor."

I hate to butt in and pop your balloon, Mr. Butt, but God looked upon that plural wives bit as sin in the Old Testament and judged it accordingly. Just ask the descendants of Ishmael. "He shall to a wild man and his hand should be against every man and every man’s hand against him." Gen. 16:12)

If you have an auto, boat, travel trailer, RV or other such item that you are not using anymore, please pray about donating it to Saints Alive instead of selling it at low wholesale.

We will not only pick it up, put it to good use, but give you a full tax-deductible receipt for the full retail amount of its value. Even if we can’t use it, we can do the selling or trading and use the resulting income or other item for the work of the ministry.

Dear Ed Subject: Freemasonry How can you judge someone or a group when in the Bible says not to judge anyone (unless you are sinless not cast the first stone). You and everyone have not been in the organization to understand and to know. How is it negative when the Holy Bible is the same and we teach brotherly love in and around our community.

You also need to understand that there are two form of Masons, Prince Hall (for Blacks) and white Masons which we do not communicate with due to their practices that are not the teaching and the guides of the Bible as Jesus would like for us to do. Tierell D. Goodman

Dear Tierell, Please don’t confuse judging people with testing the doctrines and rituals of any group to see if they conform to God’s Word. The Scriptures are very clear that we are to look at the teachings of a man or group and see if they line up with God’s Word.

We are warned that in the last days, false teachers are going to come among us and have the power to lead even the very elect away. We are told to have no fellowship with darkness. Jesus told us plainly that the oaths sworn in the many Masonic groups come of the evil one. That should be enough to send any mason, whatever segment of the order, running from them like the demons of hell were after him and they are, according to Jesus.

The god of Freemasonry is a triune deity called JaoBulOn. That is not the subject of debate. Their own books proclaim that. That is not the God of Abraham, Jacob and Edward. It is a form of Baa’l and those who bow at that altar are not servants of the Lord, but of Baa’l. Even if they bow in ignorance, they do so in darkness. We are again told in God’s Word:

I am very confused on what you say in your last sentence. "You also need to understand that there are two form of Mason Prince Hall (for Blacks) and white Masons which we do not communicate with due to their practices that are not the teaching and the guides of the Bible."

With regard to any form of Black Masonry, I can only shake my head in wonderment at any group of Black men who would be part of any Masonic organization, understanding that the father of American Freemasonry, Albert Pike, is also the founder of the Ku Klux Klan. Hope we can communicate further.... Your brother in Christ, not, no never, your judge..... Ed Decker ——

Mr. Decker, I know that talking to you and telling you some things is going to be a waste of time because you are so stuck on these things which you think to be true. I am a Mormon, and i am very proud of it. I do have a couple of questions for you, and I wonder if you can really answer them, or are you going to ignore them. [Ed: Hardly. Here I go]

You know as well as I do, that all members of my church, still need to find out for themselves if the church is true, if the Book of Mormon is true. I know for a fact, that you

prayed to find out if these things were true, and for that reason alone, you were a member of the Mormon church, so with in mind, how can you sit there and say the Mormon church is false? [Ed: I can say it because I once was blinded but now I see things according to the Biblical doctrines of Christ, not the doctrines of Joseph. I know now that I fell prey to seducing spirits when I first prayed that]

How can you sit there and say that you need to save the Mormons from themselves, [Ed: I have never said that. Jesus sets people free, not me. I still seek to set them free from lying prophets and doctrines of demons] when you know, or at least knew that the teachings of this church are true? [Ed: I now know those teachings are lies, contrary to God’s Word]

Are you going to deny the fact that you did receive an answer from God? [Ed: YES] Watch how you answer this Mr. Decker, because you do not want to deny what you know as true. You know that is terrible in the eyes of the Lord. I am just amazed as to how many people, including you, that have found out for themselves that the Mormon church is true, and with a little twist of words, and the wrong spirit, they are led down the wrong path and in the wrong direction. [Ed: Or a little bit of truth]

Mr. Decker, I am more than willing to study your church. I am more than willing to try and understand where you are coming from, but belonging to the true church, as i know i am, and you knew you were, it makes no sense to move to another. [Ed: In other words, you will not be willing to look at anything other than your brand of truth] It is not what God wants for us. [Ed: Yes, it really is] You are taking people who are not as strong in the Gospel of Christ, and turning them away. How does that make you feel to know that all these souls will be on your hands in heaven? [Ed: Really wonderful]

During the 19th century, churches from many denominations took a strong stand against Freemasonry. This was due primarily to two factors.

First, a man named Captain William Morgan, renounced Freemasonry and entered into an agreement with a publisher to expose the teachings of Freemasonry. Freemasons went to work quickly to prevent their secrets from being exposed. They kidnapped and murdered Captain Morgan. He was most probably drowned in Lake Nigeria, yet his body was never recovered. What we know of the facts surrounding his death are based on the deathbed confession of one of the Masons who murdered him.

Secondly, as a result of the exposure of some of Masonry's secrets, the church had knowledge upon which to evaluate the compatibility of Christianity and Freemasonry. There was a tremendous public outcry over the murder of Captain Morgan and since part of the nature of Freemasonry had been revealed, many in the church began to speak out against it. The two major issues upon which their objections were based were the taking of oaths, in which each Mason agreed to suffer a hideous death if he should reveal the teachings of Freemasonry, and the fact that a Christian who joined the lodge would be yoked with unbelievers.

The position adopted in many churches was that a member of the church could not be a Freemason. If any members were lodge members, they were required to renounce or they were disfellowshipped. The result was quite good; three quarters of the lodges were closed, due to the great numbers of men who renounced Freemasonry. God blessed the bold stand the church had taken; a great revival broke out and spread across the land.

One of the most effective evangelists of the 19th century revivals was Charles Finney. Before Finney became a Christian, he was a Master Mason. Since the time of Captain Morgan and Charles Finney, additional information concerning the nature of Freemasonry has become known.

When men are raised to Master Mason, each candidate is required to portray Hiram Abiff. In the ritual of the third degree, the candidate as Hiram Abiff, is unjustly killed, buried and then raised from the dead. At the conclusion of the degree, the candidate is given the following summary of the meaning of the ritual:

The meaning of the ritual is clearly explained: Why are Masons to imitate Hiram Abiff? According to the ritual, Masons are to imitate Hiram Abiff that they may welcome death and be translated into heaven.

When a man is raised to Master Mason, he is given a small book called a monitor. Monitors are produced for each jurisdiction and are distributed at the direction of the authorities of Freemasonry, the Grand Lodges. The 1946 edition of the monitor used by The Grand Lodge of Kentucky, The Kentucky Monitor, reveals the identity of Hiram Abiff in a discussion of various religions:

The meaning is perfectly clear. Masonry teaches that Jesus is not unique. Jesus is a savior for Christians, while Hiram Abiff is a savior for Masons. The Meaning of Masonry, by Lynn Perkins, clarifies the teaching:

The fact that Masonry teaches redemption and salvation is also documented in the monitor of the Grand Lodge of South Carolina, the Ahiman Rezon:

Those words, or most of them, are reproduced in the monitors of several states. The 1993 edition of the Indiana Monitor and Freemason's Guide contains most of the passage explaining the meaning of the Legend of the Third Degree on page 154. The Indiana Monitor confirms the universality of the Hiramic Legend in Masonry:

Freemasonry has a savior named Hiram Abiff. Freemasonry teaches that Master Masons have been redeemed from the death of sin and represent those raised to the faith of salvation. Each and every Mason has portrayed Hiram Abiff in a ritual in which he was murdered, buried and raised from the dead. That ritual mocks the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The ritual of the third degree directly states that by imitating Hiram Abiff, Master Masons may get into heaven.

Charles Finney renounced Freemasonry. As an evangelist who knew something of Freemasonry, Finney understood the responsibility of the church on the matter. In The Character, Claims and Practical Workings of Freemasonry, Finney wrote:

Charles Finney was only one of many voices condemning Freemasonry during the 19th century.

Another evangelist of the period was Dwight L. Moody. Moody spoke clearly on the issue as well:

Since the 1st century, Christians have opposed false gospels. Paul wrote:

As the return of Christ draws near, what should we do concerning Freemasonry? Our generation is the first generation to know that Freemasonry teaches salvation on the basis of another savior. Can we fail to denounce the institution of Freemasonry without standing before God with blood on our hands? (See Ezekiel 33:1-9) Can we continue to allow Freemasons to use our congregations as a cover? Will we allow the Lodge to point to Masonic members in our congregations to support their false claim that Freemasonry is compatible with Christianity?

What will Jesus do if He returns to find us standing shoulder to shoulder with Freemasons? Will He spew us out of His mouth because we are neither hot nor cold? Pray for church leadership. Ask God to remove the scales from their eyes. Will Christians ever meet in secret to teach salvation on the basis of another savior? Why then should we consider the man who will not renounce Freemasonry a Christian? Demand integrity and a call to repentance from leadership. Real leaders won't compromise on these issues.

Provide a snail mail address.

From the web site of Jerry & Terri Frye
http://www.pe.net/~thefryes

"You might say that out of their own mouths they convicted themselves."
Preface i, They Lie In Wait To Deceive Vol IV

For those who aren't familiar with the Browns, they are two members of the LDS Church, who have been publishing a series of books known as "They Lie In Wait To Deceive". These books purportedly show the lies and deceit, they claim anti-Mormons use to tear down the church. They state: "The goal of these authors in each book is to reveal the false motives and designs of those who must use every form of deceit to fight the Lord's Church." (TLIWTD Vol. IV, preface ii) It is my intention over the next few pages, to examine these claims and to test the validity of them.

I want to first take a look at some of the accusations made about Ed Decker in Vol IV. When the book takes a look at the reason Ed leaves the Mormon church, the authors uses an affidavit given by Ed's former wife, Phyllis Ray Montinari Decker Danielson, to imply that Ed was excommunicated from the church for reason of adultery and alcohol abuse. I say imply, because the Browns never make that statement directly themselves. These accusations appear only in the affidavit itself. If this were true, you would have to ask yourself why.

Well I do know why. This isn't the first time I had heard these accusations. As a member of the church, I recall missionaries making this claim all the time. This was their way of not having to deal with the truths Ed's ministry has revealed about the church. (See Letter from ex-Mormon Bishop in last Saints Alive Newsletter, apologizing to Ed for spreading what he knew were lies about him) It was their contention that because Ed was kicked out for all these bad reasons, then we (the members) didn't have to give him any creditably, because he was only doing this to get revenge against the church. Well, after I had became saved and left the church, I inquired about this topic with my friends at Saints Alive. All they did was give me a copy of Ed's Excommunication letter and that answered everything. I will be showing you a copy of this letter a little further down, but I have something for you to see first.

When I e-mailed Ed Decker to get a copy of that letter, he also made some comments about this issue. I think you should read what he has to say on his own behalf.

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:26:28 +0100
From: Ed Decker
Subject:RE: Robert & Rosemary Brown

Hi Dana... I think I already sent you my excommunication file from my Stake High Council Trial. The one thing the Browns have is an affidavit from my ex-wife. We have been divorced for over 30 years. I was not divorced or ex-communicated for adultery as they claim. Nor was I ever disfellowshipped....for any reason. My divorce records do not say that, nor do my excom records.

I was an active Mormon for 7 years after my divorce and after I remarried. My son, Jason (second marriage) was blessed in the LDS church 6 years after the divorce.

The affidavit the Browns have printed is a lie from an angry, spiteful person. She has been married 3 times, and lived in open adultery with her now third husband, as his wife, while he was still married to another woman with 5 children. I pray for her salvation as she is the mother of 5 of my own children...

My children by that marriage are very close to my wife, Carol and me. We see and talk to them almost daily. Except for one daughter who lives in VA, with her Navy husband on duty there, all the children live within an hour of us here in the Seattle area.

I have been a very public figure for over 20 years in a very controversial ministry, where even other Christians have attacked me personally and this work regularly.

I have been called every kind of name, accused of every kind of evil. But, my soul still cries out every day for the lost. I am an involved member of a local church, under the authority and headship of a senior pastor and the elders of my church.

I am an active pastor and a care pastor in our church, ministering to the needs of the body, visiting the sick, bringing food to hungry families, praying for those who come forward at the altar. I am usually found teaching, counseling the men in the church, and greeting newcomers, passing the communion, and so on. I am visible and very reachable at any time.

I have a very positive and real Christian life outside the Mormon Ministry. I am still in love with my wife Carol, who is still my best friend after all these years of marriage.

What you see is who I am.... And I thank God for my ministry of truth to the lost in Mormonism. To the many thousands of people are going to get to go to heaven because of God's call on my life and the many others who have walked this path with me.

Yes, we have been like a band of warriors, picking and choosing our targets over the years to break down the barriers and walls that have held our people prisoners in darkness. Yes, we have offended people by saying that their prophets are false and their faith not Christian. But which one of the many who were saved through those confrontations of truth in love would still be lost if we didn't care for them enough to tell them?? (Me, for one.-Dana)

God knows and He is the judge, not the Browns.

Bless you in your work.

In Christ, your brother..
Ed Decker
Gal 2:20

First I would like to thank Ed for his contribution. For the members of the LDS church who are reading this, I understand that you have no confidence in any statements giving by me or Ed concerning his excommunication. You see us as people who will say or do anything to tear down the LDS Church. So for the "Doubting Thomases" reading this page, I have the excommunication letter sent to Ed Decker, after he left the Church. If you don't want to believe what we say, will you believe your own church?

THE OFFICE OF THE STAKE PRESIDENT

Bellevue, Washington Stake

Nov. 14, 1976

address

Issaquah, Wa.[sic] 98027

Dear Brother Decker:

In follow-up to the High Council Court held on October 21, 1976, this letter is to formally advise you that as of that date you were EXCOMMUNICATED from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This was the result of your request that your name be removed from the records of the Church.(emphasis added)

As we hope you are aware, this action was taken without any animosity toward you by any member of the Church. In fact, our concern for your eternal salvation has increased rather than diminished.

As of this time, you have cut yourself off from any part or portion of the Celestial Kingdom. We must remind you that when the final decision was made, you were the one who requested that your name be removed from the records of the Church. This decision was yours and yours alone.(emphasis added)

Fortunately for you, the days of your probation in this life are not past. You still have the opportunity of making the principle of repentence[sic] effective in your life. How successful you will be in this endeaver [sic] will be ultimately between you and the Lord, but there is no minimizing the long, up-hill battle you have before you. Anything we can do to assist you, working through your Bishop or anyone who may succeed him, we will be more than happy to do. Nothing would give us more joy than to be able to reconvene the High Council Court for the purpose of authorizing your re-baptism into the Church. .(emphasis added)

May the Lord bless you to accomplish this,

Sincerely your brethern[sic]

BELLEVUE WASHINGTON STAKE PRESIDENCY

Where is the part that talks about Ed committing adultery? Where is the reprimand about his drinking problem? In my experience as a Mormon, I have never met a Bishop who didn't act swiftly, when a member who had a temple recommend, was caught committing adultery. This letter was sent 6 years after he divorced his first wife. If there was a problem with adultery, don't you think she would have brought it up with his Bishop? Don't you also think his Bishop would have done something about it?

Now that we've made our point on that issue, I want to take a look at the affidavit of his former wife and deal with the other complaints made against Ed.

1. "During the first ten years Ed and I were married, we moved twenty-six times"

But look at the reasons, by her testimony it was mostly because he had found a better job, or the job he had transferred him. It sounds like he was trying to be a good provider.

Ed Comments: I was working for the Boeing Company on the BOMARC and Minuteman missile systems..  My job involved  set up and installation of missile sites and systems and we DID move with the job a lot.. Many moves involved promotions and pay raises.. That is what I did for a living...  We went from one Air Force base to another for quite a while...often we would get a quick apartment in the area where I was transferred, while I went there to begin the job, and when the family would arrive, live in the apartment until we found a house to rent and that is why the numbers seem higher than they should be.   We actually enjoyed it, it was fun for the whole family........

2. "He had been sending the children an allowance, but upon his marriage that stopped. Two years later Ed took me to court to lower the child support"

If he had stopped making child support payments, how could he get them lower than $0.

Ed Comments: We never stopped the payments and also bought almost all the kid's' clothing, paid for all special classes and after school programs.  We had the payments lowered because it had been originally set up to include a form of alimony payment but I was foolish not to have that set out from the child support.  After she had been remarried, we went back to court and they changed it without a problem, because as child support, it had been far out of range for the norm and for what my income was. While I was remarried and faithfully paying through all the years, one day we had a police detective stop at the house to serve some kind of papers for failure to pay child support. I asked him what on earth he was talking about and brought out a box in which we kept all the receipts of the cashier's checks we sent every month. He shook his head and Said something like, "Oh, wow!" and asked if he could borrow them for a few days.

She and her 2nd husband, in Boulder, Colorado, had been claiming I sent them no money and were collecting from the State through ADC. She was arrested and indicted for fraud, stealing from the State of Colorado.

That's the lady who said I stopped paying when I got married again. The one who said I was the one only interested in money. We even sent money to her during the summer visits and when one daughter didn't even live there any more. We did stop paying when one daughter refused to return to her mother one year and she made a big deal over that, even though the child lived with us.

 

3. "Ed has enticed all of our children to go to him with money and gifts that I could not afford."

First she claims that he tries to avoid giving any money towards his children, then he tricks them away, by giving them too much money. Also what I find curious, is how easy it was for Ed to get custody of the children, and how eager they were to stay with him. Does this sound like a person who is a bad father, as she is implying?

I only had full custody of one of my older kids, another one had run away from her mother's home and was on her own quite early in life. Three lived with her through high school.  None live anywhere near her and they only see her once a year at best..

4. . "I have always encouraged my children to love their father even if they disapprove of what he does."

I have never personally seen Ed Decker interact with his first 5 children. But I have seen him together with his son Jason. Everything I've seen, shows me a relationship between father and son that is very much based on love. As for a drinking problem, today Ed is under no regulations given by the word of wisdom. So Ed has the freedom to drink if he wanted to. But I have been to his home several times and I have never seen any signs of alcohol in his house.

Now maybe the Browns never had the opportunity to see Ed's excommunication letter, but they do give evidence that maybe Ed's ex-wife was not telling the whole story, I'll give you an example:

If they were so sure of the evidence against Ed why does he use terms like "apparently"?

Oh thank you, I would love too!! Lets see, I'll pick-JOSEPH SMITH!!

1. Ed is accused of committing adultery. Smith was accused of having celestial sexual relations the wives of the men who went on a mission for the church. Winner: Joseph Smith!
2. Ed is accused of never paying back $250 he and his first wife borrowed from his former in-laws. Smith was accused of painting bricks the color of gold and starting a phony bank with them in Kirtland Ohio. Winner: Joseph Smith!
3. Ed is accused of having a drinking problem. Smith who claimed that he received a direct revelation from God not to drink or smoke, drank and smoked! Winner: Joseph Smith!
4. Ed is accused of moving a lot in his first marriage. Smith was ran out every town he moved too. Winner: Joseph Smith!
5 And finally some things Ed Decker has never been accused of: Marrying a fourteen year old girl, planning the murder of the Governor of Missouri, destroying a printing press, or claiming he had done more for the Gospel of Jesus Christ-then even Jesus Christ. The Winner: Joseph Smith!!!!

I only bring up these points to show that if you want to discredit Ed or any other so called Anti-Mormon and the bases of character, then give the same test to the leaders of the LDS Church first.